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‘Friendly Fire’ Fells Nassau Cop

Investigation ongoing after MTA cop guns down plainclothes Nassau police officer.

 

Nassau County and MTA police officials Sunday were still investigating why a Nassau plainclothes police officer was accidentally shot and killed while responding to a crime scene in Massapequa Park.

Minutes after a knife-wielding Massapequa Park man was shot dead in his own home Saturday night in a confrontation with officers from the Seventh Precinct, an MTA officer on scene opened fire on a Nassau cop.

Geoffrey J. Breitkopf, 40, a member of the elite Bureau of Special Operations, was shot once by an MTA officer as he approached the house at 5 Fourth Ave. Breitkopf and his partner arrived in an unmarked unit about 8-to-13 minutes after the initial shooting, Nassau County Police Commissioner Lawrence Mulvey said.

Mulvey added that Breitkopf was carrying a rifle.

“This has been described as friendly fire,” Mulvey said at a Sunday press briefing at police headquarters in Mineola. “Let me debunk that. There’s no such thing as friendly fire. Any time shots are fired, it is not in a friendly situation. It is an inherent danger of police work.”

The gunshot struck Breitkopf on the right side of the chest and exited to the left through his arm. It’s not clear whether he was wearing a protective vest. Breitkopf was transported to Nassau University Medical Center, where he died at 9:19 p.m.

The last accidental shooting death of a Nassau police officer happened on Nov. 14, 1976, when George Kempen, 38, was killed during a stolen car chase. This marks the second death in the line of duty this year for Nassau police. Prior, no county cops had been killed in the line of duty since 1993.

A 12-year veteran of the force and member of OPS since October 2003, Breitkopf has received five command recognitions, four meritorious police service awards and a medal of commendation. He also served as a volunteer firefighter in Selden, where he resided with his wife, Paula, and two young boys, aged 6 and 3.

“He was dedicated to those boys,” said fellow OPS officer Steven Paul, who was in the same graduating class with Breitkopf at the academy. “I just saw a Facebook picture today with his kids by a fire truck. That’s what he lived for. That’s all any father lives for.”

Anthony DiGeronimo, 21, was also killed Saturday after he charged at Seventh Precinct officers with two large knives in hand.

Police responded to a report of a man with several knives menacing the neighborhood between Fourth Ave. and Front Street. DiGeronimo jumped on the hood of a car on Front Street driven by a woman in her 70s, Nassau police Lt. Kevin Smith said. He brandished one of his knives and struck the car with it in a stabbing motion. 

“He tried to stab the car,” Smith said.

When police arrived, DiGeronimo fled. He ran into his house and locked himself in a back room. Officers gave chase and evacuated his parents from the home. Moments later, DiGeronimo opened the door and lunged at the officers. That’s when they opened fire, striking DiGeronimo seven times.

“He barged out of the room in a wild manner with the knife above his head,” Mulvey said. “Masked leather; Satanic garb; knives all over his body. He had knives in both hands.”

MTA officers happened to be in the area responding to a stuck elevator at the nearby Long Island Rail Road station, Mulvey said. They heard the police transmissions and went to the crime scene. Breitkopf and his partner responded in similar fashion.

Their paths intersected in a chaotic moment that ended tragically, leaving officials to figure out if changes in procedure need to be made. 

“It’s unfortunate,” Mulvey said. “These kinds of circumstances, when they occur, cause us to take a step back and review what we are doing – review our protocols. That is happening. We were discussing that last night at the hospital.”

The MTA officer is on sick leave "dealing with the trauma" and will likely not face any charges, Mulvey said.

“We’re going to miss him very deeply,” Paul said of the slain officer. “We’re not going to fill that hole.”

The MTA released a statement late Sunday: "The entire MTA family wishes to share its condolences with the Nassau County Police Department and the family of a Nassau County officer tragically killed in an accidental shooting last night. The MTA Police Department is cooperating with Nassau County PD and DA's offices in the ongoing investigation."

Related Topics: Cop, Lawrence Mulvey, MTA, Seventh Precinct, and Shooting

Jim

5:26 pm on Sunday, March 13, 2011

RIP, so far in the past 24 hours, Two police officers have been killed in the line of duty (NYPD, NCPD), 4 cops have been shot in Virginia(same incident), and one cop shot in Philadelphia, what is this world coming to?

Massa

7:40 pm on Sunday, March 13, 2011

This kid was a real mess, but it is a real shame that any officer had to be there at all last night. I blame the parents for not watching over thier child. If you are living in your parents home, the parents should know what kind of sick things this kid was into. I would know if one of my children was into worshiping satin, or having weapons in my house.You can't bash the MTA,those officers were there to help the nassau officers, and anyone in law enforcement would know that family disputes can always be deadly.Both Departments should be on the same page in those situations, and training together should be manditory.It was a very sad day for Nassau county PD and the NYPD yesterday, both losing a officer in the line of duty.If you look at this kids facebook page, you know there were warning signs....this kid was calling for attention and looking for trouble.It is a shame that all his little facebook friends don't have a clue about real life, and bashed the officers for doing thier jobs and protecting the public. They must have the same kind of parents that this little sick bastard had.

Robert Johnson

11:57 pm on Sunday, March 13, 2011

This MTA employee should go to jail for murder, and the people in charge of the MTA "family" should be right behind him. Really...how touching...they share their condolences! That would really comfort me if I just lost a loved one to a bullet. Especially knowing that the perpetrator was already out on "sick" leave, and trying to deal with "his" trauma, and already won't be facing "any" charges!

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Howie

1:58 am on Monday, March 14, 2011

Do you even know the definition of murder? Or the difference between murder and manslaughter? Or anything even remotely related to what you have decided to spout off half-cocked about in a public forum, seemingly without a clue about what you are talking about? It is truly amazing to me how many "legal eagles" and "experts" on law and police procedure have come out of the woodwork in the last 24 hours to pontificate on the incomplete pieces of information that have drizzled out about this tragic case throughout the day. It is really a sad commentary on all of us how poorly most have taken to put forth their own agendas or run wild with partial incomplete facts and filled in their own blanks as a means to their own end instead of treating this story as it should. A man with a family lost his life in the line of duty, doing his job, protecting the community. And we have had jerks with nerve enough to dishonor this man by knocking him, his unit,his department, the weapons he used and so on. Instead of denigrating the police we should be honoring this man's service and sacrifice.

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Heart

11:03 am on Monday, March 14, 2011

@Robert Johnson, you have no clue what you are talking about. Do you really think this cop shot another cop on purpose?? Do you truly think he is anything but devastated at what happened? It was a terrible, tragic mistake, and it's something he will have to live with his entire life. My sympathies are with him as well as with the family of the fallen officer.

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Doug Schlaefer

5:26 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

Mr. Johnson, your comment is at the very least intemperate and certainly uninformed.

I would advise you that upon review and reflection and in the fullness of time you remove your post.

In the alternative, please keep your angry comments where they belong-in the mindless gutter.

Dave Franklin

12:12 am on Monday, March 14, 2011

My sympathies go out to the family of Officer Breitkopf, and to the officer involved in his shooting death. Regardless of what you think of the MTA or the officer, he is responsible for taking a life, and that will stay with him for the rest of his.

Christopher Koulouris

1:01 am on Monday, March 14, 2011

The madness DiGeronimo created, was the work of a real beast, the aspiration of a man deluded that he was some kind of devil, the devil he ended up becoming in real life…

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/03/cop-dies-of-friendly-fire-after-deranged-occult-is-killed/

JE

8:16 am on Monday, March 14, 2011

What happened to the comments here last night? Like Clem's. They were not offensive.

Notice on the articles dealing with teachers, everyone is allowed to speak their mind. But anything having to do with Nassau police, suddenly heavy-handed moderation and censure.

Clem

6:28 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

Here's some of my comments that were deleted:

Maybe now the Public will stand up against the duplication of services by police agencies.

The 800-man MTA Police Department answered less than 200 calls last year -- that's one call every 1700 man-hours. And those calls are for things like Broken Escalators.

Responding to threatened cuts in their funding, the MTA Police are now responding to every call for every other agency they can.

This is an example of what happens when there are too many people in too many agencies trying to get involved.

The MTA is canceling trains and discontinuing bus lines. Their police department has swelled from 150 men to 800. It's time this duplication of services ended.

I'm sure the MTA could find someone without a gun and a $167,000 salary to check broken escalators.

My condolences go out to those suffering these losses, and to the families and men touched by this tragic mistake.

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Doug Schlaefer

8:10 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

It does not surprise me that someone that has so much to say WILL NOT SAY HIS OWN NAME and hides behind handles and psuedonyms.

Sounds like envy has hit this author and nothing more.

His argument has no merit when even casually examined.

John J Fox Sr.

6:32 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

I hope the MTA cop was tested for drugs and or booze!!!

Clem

9:06 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

Doug Schlaefer, you failed to mention that you are a well known Port Washington Police buff who constantly lobbies for their raises and bigger budgets and lives in fear of a terrorist attack on Port Washington. No envy here, Doug; I've spent 30 years in real, paid law enforcement.

Let's get back to reality:

You don't think it's absurd to have an entire police department of 800 men to duplicate the services of other police departments?

You don't think it's absurd that this same agency only needed 143 cops twelve years ago but is still trying to expand after hiring an additional 655?

You don't think it's absurd that these 800 men answered EXACTLY 167 CALLS in 2010?

Well I know one cop who probably would have been better off without the MTA Police responding to all of Nassau County's calls.

Now say this argument has no merit.

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Doug Schlaefer

9:42 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

Well, still, Mr NO NAME, after that diatribe let me set the record straight. Whoever you really are??

First I never lobbied for "bigger raises" at the PWWD and I challenge you to prove otherwise, and you can use some of that "30 years of paid law enforcement experience" to do it. It scares me you had the authority to arrest people when you play so fast and loose with the facts.

Do you know how many miles of track they have or how many people use the MTA daily or do you just shoot your mouth off without having all the facts and figures. Would the local police departments be able to effectively respond to MTA matters and are they equipted to do so, do they have a full understanding of the MTA system?

Not unless you live with your head in the sand or your reading is limited to these local blogs you would know about the terrorist attacks to the rail systems in London and China and attacks that have been averted by active police force members here in the USA and not former back benchers and monday morning quaterbacks who dont wait for the facts to become public before sounding off. Were you forced to retire?

That last quip about "I know one cop who propably would have been better off without the MTA responding to all Nassau County calls" who I am sure you do not really know and since when does the MTA Police respond to ALL Nassau County calls, oh, once again fast and loose with the facts and figures.

Once again NO merit.

DTaz1023

11:05 pm on Monday, March 14, 2011

My question is what right do the MTA police have responding to any calls that do not have anything to do with the MTA? Are the MTA police trained and equipt to handle 911 calls for Nassau/ Suffolk County? Considering the fact that the situation has been said to have been under control for over ten minutes, as well as common sense if no one else felt threatened by the NCPD officer what right do you have to do anything with out first identifying yourself and trying to defuse the situation without just shooting at anyone. Sounds to me like the MTA office decided to shoot first and ask questions later.

Doug Schlaefer

7:02 am on Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Does anyone really believe that the "MTA office decided to shoot first and ask questions later" ? Who would sign off on such a policy? Who would that reviews policy sign off on it ? Another unfounded statement by someone who is unwilling to reveal themselves, nothing more.

Someone lost their life, a family is devastated, how do these wreckless comments add to meaningful dialog?

I will not be commenting further on this matter. Thank you

Mad Max

8:04 am on Tuesday, March 15, 2011

All I know is the comments that PBA President James Carver made to newsday about the MTA cops and the retired NYPD cop are insulting to every police officer.He needs to shut his pompous desk jockey mouth.This guy is full of himself.He needs to stay in his office where its safe for cowards like him and just keep counting his money.Carver was not even there during this tragic event ,but yet talks like he saw the thing go down.Carver SHUT your mouth and stop being a rookie by talking to the press.Maybe the problem is your Supervisors aren't supervising your officers enough.He points blame at the MTA and the NYPD officer but what about Brieitkopf walking up to the scene with his M4 rifle out in plain clothes in the dark when the situation is already under control and over with.We know it was under control because officer Breitkopf was let out of the car while his partner took the time to park the car.Tragedy's like this don't need idiots like Carver spewing hate and blame around.He has no right to put down other police agency's when he hides behind a desk.

COP

2:03 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011

I heard Carvers comments on 1010WINS news.He stated the retired NYPD officer and the MTA officiers had no buisness being at the scene of this incident.Ok Mr. Carver next time Nassau officers chase a suspect into NYC or onto MTA property they should be told to get lost, they have no buisness here.When this poor officer is finally laid to rest we should have Mr. Molinet ask Mr. Carver 1)When the reponding officers arrived on scene and knew DiGeronimo was isolated and contained in his bedroom and posed no immediate threat to anyone but himself and were able to evacuate his parents safely why didn't they stay outside and wait for their ESU and Hostage Negotiators to arrive and do their thing.2)How long did it take for the first Supervisor to arrive on scene?3)What Supervisor took control of the crime scene and why did the Supervisor if he were there ,allow a civilian and other Police agency personel inside the crime scene perimeter.Sounds to me like a total break down of Supervision and the chain of command.So before Carver opens his mouth about who is to blame for this tragic incident look at your own Dept first.Remember Mr. Carver everybody lost in this incident.A disturbed kid lost his life,Parents lost a child,two officers have to live with killing the boy,a police officer has to live with killing a brother officer,a good cop was killed and a family has no husband and father.This is a fact.

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Jim

12:42 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

As a cop you should know that if you chase a suspect into another jurisdiction, YOU STILL HAVE BUSINESS THERE. The MTA cops were buffing the radio and were never dispatched to the scene. They should have stayed at there elevator emergency. I agree with Mr. Carver, as for the Retired NYPD officer, he should not have been there either, the scene had well over 5 rmps there and it was not needed for some old timer standing around talking about how he used to have these calls all the time. He should have stayed in his house just like the MTA cops should have stayed at the LIRR

Michael Collins

3:03 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011

This is just a tragedy for all the families and loved ones involved. Pointing fingers and assigning blame does not help this matter. We who read this story only know what we hear , we weren't there. Let the investigators do their jobs and let the speculators hold their tongues. Let the families grieve in peace and in private.

citizentoo

3:42 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Michael, you are right....what a tragedy all the way around. Until the investigation is complete, let's stop the blame game and put our thoughts into grieving for the police officer and the mentally ill man who was killed and for the police officer who made such a horrible mistake. They and their families deserve this time to grieve without all the politics and posturing. I pray for all of them to have the strength to get through this. We can't be judge and jury. Let the facts play out.

Soup Nazi

9:48 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011

I agree with many points that have been mde. I was stunned to see the comments of the PBA official. I know he made those comments because the fault is oging to lie with the fallen officer. It sad to say, but true. The situation was over and there was no need for any special weapons guys or ESU. The fact that his appearnace lead a retired cop to be alarmed and then two uniformed officer to challenge him lead me to two conclusions. The car they arrived in did not have any police lights on it, and that he failed to display his shield when he exited the car. It has happened before and other plainclothes cops have gotten shot because of it. It also appears that the MTA guys did challenge him and he did not respond appropriately, leading to a brief physical encounter and then the gun shot. Its a tragedy all around. The bottom line is that uniform offices are always premited to challenge plainclothes cops. I was stunned to know that the Nassau PD has guys that sole job is special weapons. Is this ESU or is this simply a weapons team. Where do we live Mexico City ?? There are so many barricade jobs in Nassau county that they need this unit.

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Jim

12:39 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Your stupidity has me speechless. Why don't you learn what BSO does before running your mouth.

Bazooka Joe

1:20 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Hey Jim, when your wife/daughter/sister is getting raped across the street from a railroad station and not on the LIRR, make sure you tell the MTA Police Officers to stay in the railroad and don't get invovled. You are so ignorant. Those police officers came to the aid of fellow Officers when it was reported on the Nassau radio they had in their car that there was a man with a knife that was being chased down Front Street. They arrived after the Nassau cops had shot the perp inside the house, but responded to assist in that incident. If they never responded and a Nassau cop was killed, then they would have been seen as lazy garbage cops who do nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. And by the way, learn proper grammar and how to use "their elevator emergency" instead of "there elevator emergency". That inaccuracy alone speaks volumes...

Joe Botz

1:28 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Jeez,it is sad this death of a dedicated Public Servant. As a Former Marine with sadly Combat experience, note Fire Discipline is of the essence of any Citizen. It is obviously, to myself that the MTA had his own "mad minute" to coin a term. I have been involved in two shootings (off Duty).
Cleared of both. I followed procedure, I IDENTIFIED MYSELF! PANIC KILLS!
Clearly, as my experiences present to me, fire discipline is lacking in the metro NYC area!

I knew a Transit Cop, back in the 70's without ballistic protection took two rounds,,this knowing, that as a well trained MARINE he would have with most doubt would have popped a cap in the perp..civilians abound said area,,what did he do,,took acouple slugs,,,,,why because he, was not 100% certain that he could terminate the situation without possibly injuring or having a bystander being killed.

That is a professional!

This horrible outcome will no doubt be washed over the widow will get much monies an a Cop
that has not any confidence nor proper training nor fire discipline will go on working.
When one who holsters a pistol they must adhere to the highest standards! Not just making the LOW STANDARD GRADES, but the highest!

The MTA Cop Obviously had the "drop" did he ID himself? doubt it!

Should he be charged with Criminally Negligent Homicide? Absolutley YES!

Clem

8:47 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Joe, I've worked closely with the MTA ninnys. Remember that these men are hired without any competitive testing. They are hired off the list, yes, but not in competitive order. They are essentially political appointees. Also remember that they last year answered one call every 1700 man-hours. They began responding to anything on Nassau and Suffolk's radio frequencies in an effort to quickly gain headlines to save their positions from MTA budget cuts.

They are the product of police buffs like Doug Schlaefer, whose posts here on patch indicate an obsession with fear of terrorists among us and an Aspergers Syndrome for police buffing. "...At any price is okay with me," he believes.

Bazooka Joe makes an excellent point. Had they not responded, they would have been viewed as "lazy loads..."

But Joe Boltz hits the nail on the head: "Fire Discipline," as you so rightly state, was lacking, as well as some level of Incident Command.

This is a tragedy. Lets not miss the opportunity to trim a bloated, ill trained department that exists only to duplicate the services of local departments and offer political patronage.

There must be some accountability for these fatal errors.

Soup Nazi

9:32 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Hey JIM.....tell me about my stupidity pal. !!! I guess as a NCPD cop that makes you an expert on everything !!! Was I wrong about the rules of engagement about uniform officers and plain clothes cops.....was I wrong that uniform guys can challenge and plainclothes guys have to respons appropriately. What was I wrong about. Please enlightment us to your wisdom. Does nassau have a BSO thats is plainclothes and responds to shootings? is that there assignment. How fast does it take to race from bellmore to Mass park with a rifle, and why didnt the officer stop racign when the all clear was given. 12 minutes from the shooting of the kinife guy until this BSO guy pulls up with a rifle. He was in his quarters when the situation ended, but he still HAD to get there right? Please tell us your version Jim!!!

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Jason Molinet

9:36 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Keep it respectful or we'll close comments.

COP

9:41 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

As I said before you can't blame the patrol officers or the MTA officer, I need to know where the Nassau Patrol Sergeant and the Platoon commander were during and after this incident and were they taking charge of the personel and the scene as their job requires one to do.Because if they were there taking charge and being the leaders their supposed to be,personel not condusive to the situation would have been told to leave the inner perimeter. thus removing the retired officer from the scene unless of course he is a witness and the MTA officers , and slowing down or if not cacelling the response of the BSO officers to the location.So lets stop calling people names these people would help you in your time of need regardless if they are MTA officers or retired officers.We need to ask the important questions and find out where the chain of command failed and fix it to prevent this from ever happening again.If you are Paid to be a LEADER then you have to LEAD.

jane

9:45 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Clem -

That crack about Asperger's Syndrome was totally unnecessary. If the man you're taunting is truly an Aspie, you've just been absolutely cruel to somebody who can't help the way he is and if he's not, you've slandered an entire group of people with a legitimate issue.

That said, I have been thinking about how the shooting of Officer Breitkopf could have happened. When I saw the photos of him with the long beard and the shaved head and muscular build, the thought occurred to me that if he showed up looking that way, in plainclothes and carrying a rifle, the MTA cops (who didn't know him, apparently the NC cops did) might have thought he was a skinhead buddy of DeGeronimo coming by to help out his friend. I don't know how he was dressed that night or if he had that beard, but to me, it looked like he was maybe doing undercover in a biker gang or a skinhead group.

Regardless, there were multiple tragedies that night. As the parent of an Aspie the age of Anthony DeGeronimo, my heart breaks for his parents; however, if he was truly charging down a narrow hallway with knives raised - the cop who shot him acted in a justifiable way. Who knew at the time whether or not he had a hostage in that room or someone who was wounded. He could have had a sibling in there or a friend or someone he'd snatched off the street and been holding in there.

COP

10:01 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Jane , all the information about who would possibly be in the room with the suspect would have or should have been gathered by the responding officers by talking to the parents as they were being safely removed from danger, all of this of course if the suspect in the course of removing the parents decides he wants to go on the attack holding knives in his hand in which case its better to judged by 12 then carried by 6

COP

10:06 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Jane,I totally agree with you on the misidentification of officer Brietkopf.The picture Newsday used on the cover is not a current up to date photo of what he looked like.

Linda

10:14 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

One of the local papers today had this to say:

"The ex-cop who yelled "gun" before a Long Island police officer was killed in a "friendly fire" shooting is a retired NYPD veteran who has an annoying habit of listening to scanners and racing to locations where police are called, sources said yesterday. John Cafarella, 58 -- a former Emergency Service Unit sergeant out of East New York -- has spent his three-year retirement nosing around crime scenes and offering unwanted help, the sources said. Nassau County detectives are investigating Cafarella's role in the tragedy that resulted in the death of Geoffrey Breitkopf, a plainclothes cop, who was shot and killed by an MTA cop as he approached a crime scene with a rifle hanging from his shoulder. "

So the theory is that if this guy had not yelled "gun" the MTA officer would not have shot at officer Breitkopf.

COP

10:24 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Linda as I stated, Who was in charge?What were they doing? Were they even there maintaining control?

COP

10:27 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

If what you read is true, this guy should be arrested for Obstructing Govermental Administration for starters.

jane

10:28 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

COP -

One of the articles I read indicated that the original responding cops might not have even known that those were his parents. Depending on the layout of the house and/or when the parents were home, they might not have known if Anthony had someone in his room.

I do agree that Anthony's death was a tragedy but my personal read, so far, is that the police might have been justified IF he was truly charging down the hallway with ANY of those knives I saw in the paper. I can't understand why something like that set of brass knuckles with bayonets sticking out of it is allowed to be sold!

nitestalker

11:50 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Jane, I saw a magazine named BUD K I'm not sure they have a web site but I bet they do.Take a look at the knives you can purchase through the mail. It's crazy.

nitestalker

12:04 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

As far as brass Knuckle knives go, the NYS Penal law states brass knuckle or brass knuckle knife is classified as a deadly weapon and illegal to possess

Soup Nazi

12:05 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

The ultimate responsiblity lies with the cop who pulled the tigger. The retired ESU guy, if he is, is nut job buff. Keep in mind that the nassau cop is also an ESu guy and they love to play with their toys. No disrepesct intended, but why was he not in uniform . How does being plain clothes aid his job?

nitestalker

12:25 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Ralph , I agree with you and I Have to agree with COP about what ,where and who was the head person in control at the scene.Why was plain clothes personel going to the house with weapons exposed well after the shooting was over.Nobody took control and called off the heavy weapons from responding from all over Nassau County and reminding the retired guy he's a civilian now to get lost.

Doug Schlaefer

12:44 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

I can see why "Clem" wants to keep his identity secret with the comments he made above. He has to resort to name calling in the absence of substanitive dialog. I am still waiting for some of that 30 years of police experience to uncover where I wanted big raises for the PWPD, or even commented on the matter of pay.

For an alledged former cop he sure has a beef with multiple police agencies or is it simply a case of police envy? Is Clem a cop, coward or classless, I say no, yes and yes as evidenced by his above comments and insensitivty to people with handicaps and while I appeciate Jane's comments I will not be taunted by this or any bully.

It is time for Clem to come out from the rock he is hiding under, reveal himself and debate me in public, anywhere local, then I can demonstrate to him how this "buff" as he describes me is going to "polish" him off in a debate on all matters municipal, it is time to prove your not a coward Clem.

I can be contacted at 944 9810 to set up the debate or in the alternative as someone you could well identify with Archie Bunker once said-stifle youself.

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Clem

2:25 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Doug Schlaefer: : "I will not be commenting further on this matter. Thank you"

So much for your credibility.

Cmac

12:49 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

If the kid did not rush out of his room like a maniac with huge KNIVES in his hands, none of this would have happened. So sad for the officer & his family.

nitestalker

12:59 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Cmac, the crazy part is if the boy doesn't jump on the womans car ,no call would have been made to 911.What a sad sad chain of events that happened.

Cmac

1:04 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

nitestalker, your so right...Its just all wrong...

jane

1:07 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Ralph -

Officer Breitkopf wasn't wearing a traditional police uniform because it was his job to wear plainclothes. He apparently worked undercover and it's kind of hard to get bad guys to trust you if you're wearing the blue. His colleagues on NCPD, from what I've seen and heard, recognized him; it was the cops and retired cops at the scene who didn't.

nitestalker

1:21 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Jane , The only thing troubling to me is why is Officer Brietkopf walking up to the location with his weapon out when the danger was already elminated. We know this from the radio transmissions printed in newsday.Did someone fail to let Officer Brietkopf know ,did he have his radio on.We know his partner let him out to go park the car so therefore it was not in the course of an emergency situation.It really is so bizarre to me how everything went wrong at the wrong time.

Soup Nazi

1:51 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Officer is not an undercover officer. "Undercover" means he is a narcotics detective or someone who is trying not to look like a cop. If that was wnat he was looking for, he did a good job. He didnt look like a cop and he it cost him his life. If he didnt look like a cop then he should nt be running around with a rifle in his hands. Does anyone know what BOS does in nassau. Are they on patrol or do they wait at their quarters for a shooting or hostage situation. If so,,what a waste of manpower !!

Howie

2:44 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Ralph first you state unequivocally what something means and then you go ahead to profess that you have no idea what you are talking about. So instead of further indicting yourself as another one of the Monday Morning Quarterbacks on here who are trying to portray themselves as authorities on something that they are clueless about, based on tidbits of information that have been scrounged from multiple sources that are probably not even reliable, why don't you just shut the heck up, roll up your keyboard, and let the authorities who actually know what happened, and know the law and who is responsible for what, investigate the matter and come to a determination of what happened and why. Until then all of these ridiculous baseless suppositions and sniping at each other as well as well as the participants of this tragedy is counterproductive and a tremendous waste of time because it solves absolutely nothing besides maybe stroking some of the egos of the sudden "authorities on everything" that have suddenly been born on these boards since this situation began. It sounds like there are a few here that have a law or police background that have a grasp of the situation. ( I don't but I have a family member that is an officer). But for the most part you all sound like you have been watching too many episodes of Law and Order, Quincy, and every other tv cop show and it somehow quailfies you as an expert. I got news for. You're wrong. This is real life and you just sound dumb!!!

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Eddie

2:47 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Thanks, Howie. Best comment I've read here.

Soup Nazi

3:20 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Howie,,,,for you vocabulary list "undercover"..an officer pretending not to be a cop
"plainclothes" an officer who work in civilian attire like a detective of school officer. Plainclothes guys sometime known as anti crime or street crime drive around in an un marked vehicle and wear street clothes so they will not be noticed. When they exit the vehicl they immediately display their badge for all to see

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