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Council Hears Kings Point Police Chief Talk Surveillance

Glen Cove resident tells council of neighboring community's experience with devices.

Kings Point's chief of police spoke at Glen Cove's city council meeting Tuesday, telling the council about his department's use of the kind of surveillance cameras that are going up in Glen Cove.

"I'm just here to let my fellow residents know, and you know, that I've seen it in operation for two years," said Jack Miller, chief of Kings Point's police department for the last decade and a Glen Cove resident for 35 years.

"Is it big brother watching ya? Well, yeah, it is recording you. But I gotta tell you, we had a burglary, and [the victim] gave us the timeframe of when the burglary happened, and in our village we don't have a lot of traffic. But in that two-hour period we had 400 license plate hits. So it's either myself or one of my administrators who are the only two who can get into the system and download these 400 plates," he said.

Several residents at the meeting expressed concern about the surveillance system's imposition on residents' privacy and how it would affect the feel of the neighborhood, questioning the city's need for such measures. The potential for abuse was also raised.

The city's attorney, Vincent Taranto, pointed out that the council's job is to serve the overall public good, and that it has determined that the installation of these cameras serves that purpose.

Councilman Anthony Gallo, Jr. addressed the question of invasion of privacy that was raised, saying that legally there is no expectation of privacy in a public space.

Miller said the cameras in Kings Point are being used in an open case of a black van that has approached children outside of their schools. He also noted the example of an armed robbery that took place before cameras were installed. A woman was approached in her garage and told to surrender a ring from her finger at gunpoint. The perpetrator drove off. 

"They would have gone by three of our video cameras and our license plate readers" had they been up then, Miller said. "That case is still open."

Miller said the "big brother" issue concerns him as a citizen, but said his experience has not given much cause for that concern.

He made the point that the technology is there but there remains the need for hours of manpower to use that technology.

"If anybody thinks that somebody can just go in and see who's going where and what's going on with that, it's not that simple," said Miller. "You follow the procedures, and when they run it in the placement computer - that's where they run the license plates - that's owned by the New York State Police. I can not go in and run a plate for Mayor Suozzi to find out what car is in front of his house. He has to do it through the Glen Cove Police Department and it has to be for a law enforcement purpose."

He used an example of a Nassau County police officer's sister in Westchester County who asked her brother to run the plate of a suspiscious car parked in front of her home.

"Too bad for him it was an unmarked New York State Police car. State police on the phone - 'What are you looking at our car for?'" Miller said.

He said there are plenty of safeguards put in place to protect against such personal abuses.

Miller described the large screen in department headquarters which displays a live feed from the village's cameras, but said that only two people have access to the recording once the images pass from the screen.

He said the equipment records on a 60-day loop, rewriting over old images once that time has elapsed. 

Mayor Ralph Suozzi repeatedly said that the cameras - six license plate readers and 52 to 54 video cameras, most of which will go in the city's two municipal parking garages - were acquired at no cost to the city through a federal Department of Justice grant.

The village of Kings Point is paying $1 million to install its surveillance system, Miller said.

Gallo suggested that Glen Cove's police chief, William Whitton, be present at the council's March 13 meeting to discuss safeguards and policy regarding the cameras and their recordings.

Greta March 02, 2012 at 05:04 AM
Baloney. cops are accountable to no one. Rep. King tossed them some money for more toys. more toys means more justification for their high salaries and comfortable staffing. It's paid nintendo folks.
Kristina S. Heuser March 02, 2012 at 05:41 PM
Wow, if only every citizen that got up and spoke at the council meetings got such extensive coverage. So sad to see that the Patch is comprimising its journalistic integrity and becoming just like the other local papers, which appear to exist solely to serve and promote this Administration's agenda.
Micah Danney March 02, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Kristina, The nature of the site only permits stories of a certain length. The chief's examples provided a new perspective that adds something to the story thread, hence the focus in this particular story. As this is an ongoing issue, expect to see plenty more. If you feel that a perspective has been left out or under-explained, please don't hesitate to get in touch - there are a few options for community voices to be heard here on Patch.
John Cocchiola March 02, 2012 at 09:29 PM
I'm more or less a Libertarian, so normally I'd be completely against this type of government scrutiny, but as long as the cameras are trained on public roads, I really don't think it's a fourth amendment issue. I spoke with a criminal justice professor and he said the cameras are absolutely a violation of the fourth amendment, but to be honest I don't buy it. I think there's a huge potential for abuse with the cameras, but if the cameras aren't focused on private property, I don't really think it's an invasion of privacy. I think at the very least, there should be signs telling citizens they're under surveillance. Any way ya' look at it, George Orwell turned out to be an optimist.
Greta March 03, 2012 at 03:27 AM
conceptually its not a bad idea but the problem is the integrity, trustworthyness and psychological status of the police--who are accountable to no one. Kings Point is a small village and in no way compares to Glen Cove as far as access in and out of the place. Police have so much access to data that I don't see why they need more. n case you haven't noticed there is an increasing divide between the police and the taxpayers because the PBA are against any reform- only look out for themselves. They feel they are entilled and above the people they are supposed to serve. Their goals are to: Keep cop salaries as high as possible by raising taxes. Ensure they do not pay anything towards health care or any benefits. Ensure they pay nothing into pensions while receiving payouts based on overtime abuse.
Rob Germino March 03, 2012 at 04:28 PM
Didn't Councilman Gallo make a motion for a public hearing on this matter?
vinny dinussi March 04, 2012 at 03:19 AM
Why is Micah censoring this meeting?
vinny dinussi March 04, 2012 at 03:22 AM
Rob, not only did Gallo call for a public hearing but several people expressed their concerns about this galloping government encroaching into our lives with these cameras. How come Micah didn't have space for that? Not Kosher.
vinny dinussi March 04, 2012 at 03:23 AM
I have a question. Who's watching the watchers? Just asking.
Councilman Anthony Gallo Jr. March 04, 2012 at 04:06 AM
Dear Friends, As your elected Glen Cove City Councilman, it is my responsibility to notify the residents of any matter that is deemed to be of great importance to our City. It has been brought to my attention and recently reported in the media that over 50 surveillance cameras will be installed throughout the City of Glen Cove. This is an issue that in my opinion needs to be discussed publicly and in great detail. I believe my request to have an open discussion with the input from the public is not asking too much. However, at this past City Council meeting on Tuesday, February 28th, I made a motion to have a public hearing prior to the installation of these surveillance cameras and unfortunately the motion was not seconded by the other council members. Whether you are for or against the installation of these cameras, a public discussion and further information should be provided via a presentation that is clearly posted and communicated to all the residents of Glen Cove. Here are a few questions that I would like to examine. For example, what is the policy? Is there a policy in place as to who will be responsible to monitor these cameras? What safe-guards will be put in place? Where will all this private, sensitive information be stored? (Part 2 to follow)
Councilman Anthony Gallo Jr. March 04, 2012 at 04:09 AM
Some residents have argued that the right to privacy is being jeopardized and other residents believe that this is beneficial for public safety. Regardless of your point of view, the real issue is, will the residents be informed of all the details prior to the installation of these cameras? The next City Council Meeting will be on Tuesday, March 13th at 7:30p.m. At the end of the Council Meeting, there is a time for public discussion and this could be your opportunity to voice your opinion. In the meantime, I will continue to be a reasonable voice for the people! Sincerely, Councilman Anthony Gallo Jr.
vinny dinussi March 04, 2012 at 04:24 PM
Mr. Gallo, does that mean a public hearing is not scheduled because it hasn't been seconded? What are our options now?
Joe Lopez March 05, 2012 at 05:34 PM
If a cop, or anyone regular Joe can park on the side of the road and partake in the less-than-exilarating exploit of watching traffic drive by, then what's the difference if it's a camera doing it ? Someone on this thread called this "sensitive information" ? Honestly ? Seems to me that if they have 500 hours of recorded traffic video on hand then someone would have to sit and watch for 500 hours. To do what, figure out where you might be going ? Umm, not likely folks.

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