Question of the Day: Glen Cove Piazza

What's your take on project's approval?

The Glen Cove Planning Board for the on Wednesday.

What are your thoughts on the project? Do you think it will revitalize downtown Glen Cove? 

Tell us in comments.

Marc Rosen August 17, 2011 at 08:41 PM
No information was offered or provided. However, if it's comparable in price to the Avalon complex, it won't be affordable or attractive to the under-30 crowd.
Gan Ainm August 17, 2011 at 10:56 PM
Good point, Marc. I've seen no proof that there are Section 8 apartments at Avalon or planned for Piazza. Also no proof that apartments at either location are or will be truly "affordable" enough to allow young people and others to stay on Long Island. BTW, the existence of, or utilization by residents, of the Section 8 program is nor a crime; it's one way of providing housing, especially when people who work in a particular area can't afford to live there.
Norton Small August 18, 2011 at 10:34 AM
I am so encouraged and delighted to read the passionate dialogue about the direction of life in our Glen Cove. I lived here for 61 years, many good times, some bad times; my roots are still deep but the environment is getting arid and unhealthy and we must change. We need people to discuss, propose and demand the changes. I read some great and perfectly feasible ideas (i.e., an art theater, what a joy!). I know that they are so because I know a little about how difficult has become to run a business (helped run one for 25 years when times were hard, everyone else in my family has or had one). That this town’s hereditary government has practiced “feed the friends, starve businesses” policies is documented history but what is to be seen is exactly what is being discussed here: people, lots of them, to take the floor, take a stand on issues and take to the streets– pitchforks would not be bad either. Oh, and don't forget November 8, when we can officially kick the bums off their throne. This is how any movement for change starts and the internet, luckily, can easily provide the conveyor belt (this is one "aging Glen Cove resident" who loves what keeping up with the times can do for his community).
pocopazzo August 18, 2011 at 01:48 PM
At the very least, we should be heard. Screaming & obscenities, while cathartic, gives people a reason to dismiss the dissenters as irrational. I did not witness that firsthand, but if its true it doesn't help.
Brooke D August 18, 2011 at 02:26 PM
John, This is a great video! Hopefully everyone here on this thread takes the time to watch. It's comforting to know that there's a model/playbook to work from.
cc August 18, 2011 at 02:27 PM
Remember NOVEMBER 8. If we fail to make changes at the polls then we deserve to go down the drain. Change can be no worst the the present mayor and gang of 6.
John Cocchiola August 18, 2011 at 04:40 PM
Unfortunately Brooke, not too many career politicians (of either party) like the free market, Libertarian model very much, because it takes some of their power away. With less power, or control they aren't able to steer money and resources toward friends and supporters. From what I understand, the people that were elected in Sandy Springs were for the most part, business people, the Mayor was an economist. In general, politicians are really there mostly for whichever groups supported them, and with less power at their fingertips, they can't really return favors as easily. It will be a hard sell.
Frank Venturino August 18, 2011 at 04:41 PM
"There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Shining at the end of ev'ryday There's a great big beautiful tomorrow And tomorrow's just a dream away".....Walt Disney
Frank DiAnconio August 19, 2011 at 04:46 AM
"CC", Those who build should it be the only ones who gain.
Frank DiAnconio August 19, 2011 at 04:52 AM
Marx, why are you so angry? I'm latino (Peru) and have a girlfriend who's a nice lookin' blonde, I guess she's Anglo-Saxon. What is Smart Growth, Marx? Is it demanded by the people? NO. It's a scheme. Marx, what did you major in? Furthermore, are you aware that Warren Buffet (with a soft T) profits from tax revenue? NOOOOOO, neither did Bill Gates.
Frank DiAnconio August 19, 2011 at 04:58 AM
Are you referring to cc as a known absentee landlord? I must know where you're from.
Frank DiAnconio August 19, 2011 at 05:06 AM
I have a really radical idea here. Let's skip all the marxism coming from guys like Marc Rosen, and tout the new tagline. "Whoever wants to invest in Glen Cove, CAN". I'm so disgusted by all the jealousy that goes on in here. "The developer is mking money!". "It's too big for Glen Cove!". if somebody is going to put SIXTY, MIIILLLLIIIIOOOOONNNNN DOLLARS into a project, don't you think he's pretty sure he'd succeed, in self-interest? This isn't government spending on failed ideas likethe ferry. Let's get rid of the 5 year master plan, irrelevant as it is, and let's get rid of the ferry, let's cut spending, and let's help whoever wants to invest in Glen Cove as much chance to make a fortune as they possibly can. Let's not be sold by the schemes of Stunted Growth, aka central planning, and let's let the free market and natural demand run wild. It's going to take some cuts, people are going to go crazy at school board meetings, and city council meetings, but it's about time!
John Cocchiola August 19, 2011 at 01:33 PM
I agree in theory Frank, I'm a free market guy and I hate the idea of central planning. In my opinion, we've seen this before and Glen Cove's history tells us that in time, it's not going to work out. We don't have many jobs here in Glen Cove, thanks to the exit of our industry, we don't have very good ways in and out of Glen Cove for commuters, so my question is, where would all of these people work? If we had a decent train line running into Manhattan, anything would be possible, but until that day comes, we continue to put the cart before the horse. We're an isolated cud de sac, either we stay small or we work to create an artery into Manhattan (and it ain't the ferry). I'm with ya' in spirit Frank, I don't like the idea of city planning, envy, class warfare either, but we've seen "luxury apartments" go up in the past, we heard guarantees of "young professionals" filling them up; I guess it depends on the definition of "young professionals" but it turned out to be slightly different than what a lot of residents had in mind. I know of a Francisco d'Anconia, he was a copper miner from Argentina. Any relation?
cc August 19, 2011 at 01:56 PM
If the MTA had better train service maybe less cars on the road? If the ferry to no where was the same price as a train ticket that might work? What a nice dream. Oh I just woke up and the mess still exists .
Frank DiAnconio August 19, 2011 at 04:48 PM
John, a decent train line, do you want more subsidy? A free market, but if a guy wants to invest 60 million dollars of his money into a Glen Cove project that's not good? Is he incompetent? Let's get the government to stop picking winners and losers and shutting down and directly killing establishments who employ, let's let somebody come in to the abandoned factories and establish biotech factories, whatever they want! If they are confident of making money (oooohhhh, did I say that, noooooo, better not!) they'll come to Glen Cove. If they're going to have guys in government like Marx, no way.
Marc Rosen August 19, 2011 at 04:53 PM
We had a few investments, and it didn't work. The problem isn't the government, and it isn't the investors. It's the people who live here being resistant to innovation. People here proposed ideas, SMALL ideas, that would go a lot further than these mega projects. Why can't we START by cleaning up and go from there?
John Cocchiola August 19, 2011 at 04:56 PM
Frank, unfortunately we're stuck with that MTA and it runs on subsidies. It should be privatized in my book, I'm a small business owner and already subsidize them with the transportation tax we've been stuck with. The average LIRR worker makes almost 100K a year, and as of about two years ago, 95% were retiring with disability pensions. It's a corrupt organization, Mafia on rails. We're stuck with an inefficient, corrupt LIRR and MTA, but that's what we're stuck with. I'm against subsidizing or propping up losers, but a direct and regular train going from Glen Cove to Penn is the only thing I see that will make Glen Cove live up to the dreams of our politicians. If not, it's a small town and we need small solutions.
Frank DiAnconio August 19, 2011 at 05:12 PM
The Glen Cove Piazza is not a MEGA project, Marx. No small ideas here. Attract people to make money, let's solicit biotech companies and other high-tech producing companies and entice them to come. An unsubsidized rail service might not work, but until it's privatized, waste and fraud will emerge, that's what government is.
John Cocchiola August 20, 2011 at 04:10 AM
The way I understand it is, there is a holdout selling some of the properties the Piazza will need to buy before they build, so unless that property is sold, this all means very little.
cc August 20, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Could it be one of the sitting city council members???? It is and just follow the money! The rubber stamping by an ineffective city council must come to an end.
Rick Smith August 21, 2011 at 02:44 PM
Perhaps the ferry to somewhere, the road to nowhere and the waterfront development in the air will be our salvation, but I doubt it. Have you heard the one about the 142 apartments just approved, in 4 Avalon - like buildings to be built where the "Village Square" is now located? All the apartments are to be for "graduate medical students". How utterly cutesy! Little graduate students in their blue outfits running all around the downtown spending money they don't have for Floyd's $5000 bathroom sinks, or perhaps a Ferrari or two. Medical students indeed. What nonsense! What businesses are going to benefit from these tenants? By the way, I have also heard that there are hundreds of families in Glen Cove waiting for subsidized "Section 8" housing. Who is to choose the tenants and how? Since the Avalons were built, I have never seen anyone walking from them to the downtown. And none of them has ever bought a piano or anything else from me. Another fraudulent promise. The only thing positive from these "projects", are the decades long tax breaks the developers who build them get. Avalon One's was at least 22 years, I am told! What this community and many others need, are studio apartments for one person only, with rents in the $500 range, that young, single people could afford. This would alleviate the flight of new generations of people and diminish or eliminate the proliferation of illegal housing in one family homes. Governments have never addressed this need.
pocopazzo August 21, 2011 at 04:55 PM
Yes, "graduate medical students" has venerable ring to it. We should all be awestruck.
Brooke D August 24, 2011 at 03:16 AM
Just incase people on this thread forgot about how they were 'overlooked' if not completely ignored ... time to get our collective acts together. I just saw this on Patch and thought that you'd want to know. http://glencove.patch.com/events/purchase-tickets-to-the-take-back-glen-cove-bbq
Gan Ainm August 25, 2011 at 06:25 PM
Yes, presumably single pianists without a lot of furniture!
Rick Smith August 25, 2011 at 06:59 PM
Say, Gan, Great idea! What a promotion - free piano with every apartment! Maybe I should talk to Puntillo Thanks!
Brooke D September 19, 2011 at 11:32 PM
Has anyone else heard that tomorrow's City Council / Planning Board meeting is being filled with people who are in support of turning the Waterfront project into a big rental unit? Is it just me or does this all feel like a big shell game with our incredibly valuable waterfront?
suzy sunflower September 19, 2011 at 11:47 PM
Yes, Ralph has sent the word out that he needs "his" people to come down to City Hall and clap and cheer for this new and improved project. New and improved, but NOT for the residents and taxpayers of Glen Cove but for the developers, just business as usual.
pocopazzo September 20, 2011 at 12:44 AM
Well, it sounds like it will be a good show tomorrow night.
Elena DiMarco September 20, 2011 at 02:34 AM
Patch will be covering Planning Board tomorrow! Stay tuned, and let us know what you think about the meeting tomorrow night.
vinny dinussi November 06, 2011 at 05:42 PM
According to Frank's best ideas, we should let anybody with money come into this city and give him carte blanche to invest and make a profit. Is that what most people think should happen. What Frank suggests is just a dressed up version of anarchy. It's just at the extreme other end of central planning.


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